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As a non-christian, I am approaching this topic purely as an interested observer. I am assuming half of the people who read this will automatically say the claims are false and the other half will say they are true. The truth I found is that it is difficult to know for sure.
10. Buddha
9. Krishna
8. Odysseus
7. Romulus
6. Dionysus
5. Heracles
4. Glyon
3. Zoroaster/Zarathustra
2. Attis of Phrygia
1. Horus
I have always been fascinated by the similarities in religions worldwide. People were far more alike than different in their quest for understanding of the world and finding meaning in it.
Holy @!$%#! They cribbed from Hindu, buddhist, and Greek culture. I was raised Catholic and have become pretty cynical about religion. It may be time for the remaining scales to fall rom my eyes. I will definately be doing more reading on this. Seriously.
LOL, Yes, There are a couple of books I found, just as the storm came and the power went out along with the internet, I lost the information and wondered which of the gods were speaking. I'll look again.
I had often wondered if this similarity came from these cultures mixing more than we now know way back long ago - say 15,000 to 30,000 years or more, long before writing was developed and then they all shared one civilization root religion that changed as they got separated
Yes, since "history" is so incomplete. But the cultures were so divided and the dates just far enough apart, yet close enough together it raises interesting questions. Each 'diety' represented on the list, and there are more, are also dissimilar. Glyon? Dionysus? If the argument is made that all of these religions are really based in Christianity as we know it, then the other cultures when pretty far afield in their "translations" of it.
Eriq,
If you are not already familiar with it, I suggest you check out Synthesis' CryptoHistory series, where he lays out the case for that idea.
Dennis,
Right, I was kind of making my argument against the idea that the other religions were actually based on Christianity or the prophecy and stood on their own.
It's simple really. Writers follow a familiar formula to make a story more accesible to their readers. We accept this in modern storytelling; Movies.
This is the formula you follow if your writing a moral tale for children so they'll mind they're parents; also known as religion.
Other way around. Most of these pre-date Christianity.
The church that I grew up in said that Satan, knowing the future, created these in order to cause people to doubt the story of Jesus.
The church that I grew up in said that Satan, knowing the future, created these in order to cause people to doubt the story of Jesus.
And Jesus rode a dinosaur. Amen.
On a similar topic, if you take a look at the archeoly, Abrahamic religions didn't even become monotheistic until the time of the first kingdom (~800b.c.e.). Before that, there was a whole pantheon, and the character they now refer to as "god" had himself a lady god, too.
That was one of the most interesting things I have ever read. People are far more alike than they realize.
#2 - Thu Jun 4, 2009 7:19 AM EDTKind of neat isn't it? They are almost suspiciously alike, but different. Some of the icons on the list we Westerners call mythology. What do other cultures call our 'icon'?
Now, that is an interesting question. I wish I had more time to delve into that.
Wow, Glycon, now there's an obscure deity that you don't hear much about. Interesting article.
#3 - Thu Jun 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT8, 7 and 5 are a real stretch. And where is Mithras?
#4 - Thu Jun 4, 2009 4:05 PM EDTA bit about Mithras:
1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.
2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.
3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.
4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.
5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.
6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).
Neenie, I had looked into the dominant current world religions in college. It's unbelievable how much they have in common as well. These stories only repeat those findings with eerily similar stories. The births around Dec. 25 all fall roughly around the winter solstice when it is dark and plants aren't growing. Resurrections all fall in the spring when the plants are all coming back to life (the rebirth of the world). To me it reinforces the idea that religions start and grow based on the life experiences we all have!
Very interesting seed. I enjoyed reading it.
#5 - Thu Jun 4, 2009 9:59 PM EDTThey are almost suspiciously alike, but different.
Any one here understand the concept of Prophecy?
#6 - Thu Jun 4, 2009 11:05 PM EDTRight. We can't forget how satan came and invented some old gods and planted dinosaur bones to trick us.
Oh, grandpa....
planted dinosaur bones to trick us.
Oh, grandpa....
Do you know what happens when you assume? Have you assumed I don't believe in dinosaurs
I know you believe in dinosaurs. You just think they had saddles on their backs and were blinked into existence.
Oh, grandpa...
Jarrod are you making a joke or are you serious? Blinked into existence?
Jarrod,
Can we have a respectful discussion of different religions and cultures? If you are making a joke, perhaps you could make it clear that it is one.
While it was a caricature of christian ignorance and how they choose to oppose education and modern, expert knowledge in favor of a book of myths, I don't think it's a joke. It's very serious and very dangerous.
Jarrod if I was to say in regards to your comment - While it was a caricature of huministic ignorance and how they choose to oppose personal relationships and thousands of years of recorded results of choices gone wrong, in favor of a small selection of current, unproven theories , I don't think it's a joke. It's very serious and very dangerous. Would you think I was trying to communicate and understand where you where coming from?
What's dangerous? A fundamental muslim straps bombs to his chest. A fundamental christian shoots abortion doctors. A fundamental atheist criticizes on websites. My money's on the religious for who does the most harm.
Oh, grandpa...
great one neenie - many times as i sat in my pew and was read gospel i often thought about the similarities between myths, religion and legends handed down generation after generation
#7 - Fri Jun 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDTThat may be the problem with "non-believers", agnostics and others. Reconciling historical information like this. The bible is/could be considered mythology as well. One mans religion is another mans myth.
neenie - i am with you on the Bible - i have gotten to the point of relating it to the Greek myths i read as a child
Nice link Neenie. I recommend Joseph Campbell's "The Hero with a Thousand Faces." It explores the similiarities among ancient hero myths and man's ongoing struggle for identity. We're all connected.
#8 - Fri Jun 5, 2009 2:36 PM EDTThanks. I have a ginormous book on mythology that covers everything from Irish to Native American beliefs, stories, fables, myths, religions. It is terrific. If it wasn't the size of 3 inch thick laptop it would be even better!
If it wasn't the size of 3 inch thick laptop it would be even better!
Not exactly easy reading huh! LOL. I really like this topic and look forward to more discussion. Have a nice weekend!
A
"is there any truth to the contention that Jesus himself was influenced by the Cynics" Great education on Cynicism here.
#9 - Fri Jun 5, 2009 6:44 PM EDTVery interesting topic! I have had many questions about the bible's stories.
#10 - Tue Jun 9, 2009 12:03 PM EDTGramps - he is asking for objective answers, not a believers repeated nonsense.
Jabberwocky
'Twas brilling, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogroves
And the mome raths outgrabe."Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite the jaws that cach!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious bandersnach!"He took his vorpal sword in hand
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the tumtum tree,
And stood a while in thought.And in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame
Came whiffling through the tulgy wood,
And burbled as it came.One,two! One,two! And through and through
The vorpal blade whent sniker-snack
He left it dead and with it's head
He went galumphing back."And hast thou slain the jabberwock?
Come to my arms my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
He chortled in his joy.'Twas brilling, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogroves
And the mome raths outgrabe.
It makes just as much sense and doesn't hurt anybody.
Hi Gramps,
The story of Job. Why would god make a wager with satan knowing full well that Job was a good servant who did not need to suffer to make his point to satan? god could have easily said that I say that Job is a good servant end of story no suffering required.
#11 - Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:59 AM EDTNate a good question, one thing I have learned about suffering, when it is over I or the person who has suffered is usually a much stronger person, suffering is not bad unless the person makes a choice to allow it to destroy themselves. As far as God wagering with Satan, I am not sure that part of the story is true, personally I have never worried about if it was or wasn't.
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